Posts by Brother of the Hawk

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The CO 'encourages' Julia to meet with THREE elders- the latest episode in the best-selling drama, The Fade of Julia Orwell.

by Julia Orwell in

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it was yesterday morning and hubby and i were having a huge sleep in.

it was just after ten, and with me being a bit flu-ey i was quite capable of staying in bed longer.

hubby was feeling it too, and we were pleasantly drifting in and out to the sounds of birds.. then suddenly, cloomp, cloomp, cloomp up the front stairs, then "rap-rap-rap" on the front screen door, that rapid-fire, strong knock of the practiced door-knocker.

Brother of the Hawk

A CO by HIMSELF? That is definitely working around the 'rules' of the GB. But I know every country does things differently.

If I was in your husband's shoes [Which I have been with elders and my family myself] I would be really upset that they usurp your husband's headship to talk to you. You can always tell them that they will have to wait and talk to him. That's what NE told the elder's that called a month ago on a conference call. They've left 2 messages since then, but we haven't heard from them since.

Also, if no one applies MT 18 and comes to talk to you, then you have the right to tell them until that person/accuser does then you WILL NOT discuss it and it is NOT a congregation matter!!

That's the biggest problem with MT 18, nobody, especially the elders wants to apply it! The elders could relieve themselves of so much work & problems if they would just tell the blabber mouths that they need to go apply MT 18 before coming to the elders. 99% of the time it would be dropped and the elders could enjoy the time with their family's. But elder's as we all know, LOVE their Ecclesiastical authority!!! So they are willing to sidestep that entire MT 18 policy.

Affectionately Brother of the Hawk [I will surrender my mind no more, forever]

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Bethel Brother's explanation to young mother as to WHY God would destroy children at armegeddon

by Newly Enlightened in

back when we were still active in the cong.

we became friends with a young couple with 2 small kids.

they were newly baptized and wanting a better future for their kids.

Brother of the Hawk

I was standing there beside my wife and the young couple and I swear he did say that! No joke!

One I heard in Pioneer school referring to making return visits on people that will never come in the truth, You go and place a magazine, then you go back and place a book, then go back and have some nice conversations all the while you think your sawing off a little bit of the goat's horns but in reality you've got nothing but a 'bloody goat' so quit wasting your time with bloody goats!

This was from the mouth of a C.O.

I'm glad I'm not judging people. You just can't make up this kind of stupidity.

Affectionately Brother of the Hawk [I will surrender my mind no more, forever.]

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"Crises Of Conscience"

by mouthy in

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Brother of the Hawk

Hey mouthy: What an offer you have. Very kind of you. I am just about done with Rays 2nd book. But I am keeping mine close a hand, great refferance material. Just a thought, you may want to keep one behind for when your family members wake up!

Hugs and kisses from an olde mountain man

Affectionately Brother of the Hawk. ( I will surrender my mind no more, forever)

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4/1/2013 public WT, "A man named Andre' was very close to his father, who suddenly fell ill and died"

by Theocratic Sedition in

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i looked for a thread on this before posting, did i miss it?

andre is in the main article of the april public edition wt.

they gotta be having fun with this in the writing department!

Brother of the Hawk

Hey, I think I saw that match, Poor Andre' lost!

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Do WT Bible NWT pick and choose word meanings to suit their agenda?

by *lost* in

can anyone offer thoughts on this.

any examples.

i just discovered this.. nwt v kjb isaaiah 14;12. kjv - uses lucifer.

Brother of the Hawk

Hey Lost, sorry to read about your traumatic incident.

I have another scripture you can refer to. Rom 10:13 " every one calling on the name of Jehovah will be saved."

The Greek Diaglott reads. " For every one who may invoke the name of the Lord shall be saved" the Greek work for Lord is "κ?ριος", (which is Jesus) If you look at verse 9 of Rom 10 it says, "for if you publicly declare that word in your own mouth, that Jesus is Lord and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved." In the Greek Diaglott, in this verse the word Lord is spelled the same. At the very least, this rendering contradicts vs 13. according to the NWT. The Diaglott I have is also published by the WTB$ Putting this into proper context vs 9 - 12 all refer to calling and believing upon Jesus. Then out of the blue vs 13 says calling upon the name of Jehovah, way out of context. As for the reason for this, I can only a guess, since it was Fred Franz that oversaw the translating of the NWT. But the importance of Jesus seems to be downplayed. Since they are called Jehovah's Witnesses and not Jesus Witnesses.

Another scripture that is also mistranslated is Jude 9. Again they took the Greek word for Lord and translated it to Jehovah. If you look at the account in John 20:28 Thomas said "My Lord my God" the same Greek spelling is employed in both renderings of Lord.

Just some food for thought.

Affectionately Brother of the Hawk [ I will surrender my mind no more, forever]

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Newbie Here- but I've been here the whole time

by TheDarksideHasCalledMe in

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my wife and in-laws are now here and i'm on now.

i'm going to copy and paste my first post from jwstruggle...... my story is, i grew up as a jw.

my parents found out later on and didn't tell anyone.

Brother of the Hawk

Great post son-in-law. I must say here and open so all can see, and not intended to embarrass you. This young man came to us and asked for my daughters hand in marriage, only after a few dates. I knew at that time he needed a little growing up, so to say. But now that he has been letting go of his disruptive past, he has very much matured, at a unexpected and surprising rate, one of which my wife & I are very, very proud of. Proud of both of you. I love you son.

Affectionately: Brother of the Hawk ( I will surrender my mind no more forever )

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My quick introduction

by Adam Believed in

hi, all.. ive been lurking and reading for many months now.

i have been an active member of jwrecovery for sometime now.

its iphone friendly!

Brother of the Hawk

Welcome Adam! Glad to have you here with us!

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Elder and MS Extortion!

by jw07 in

the elders and ministerial servants at my hall were asked to attend a strange meeting last night.

the society is asking for our help to raise $10,200.

they are seeking to raise this money in april from elders and ministerial servants in our circuit only.

Brother of the Hawk

Why such a oddball figure, instead of just an even $10,000. It may be that the circuit has been hit with an unexpected fine or expense and they don't want to admit it. Or was someone sued? I wouldn't give a penny until full disclosure. We had an incident in a cong. we were in. The COBE [P.O at that time] got up and told us the elders could get a smokin' good deal on a new lawn tractor and then proceeded to pass a resolution to buy it. When the cong. all agreed he had the nerve to wipe his brown and say "Whew, I'm glad you all agreed, because I already bought it!" Misappropriation of cong. funds at the very least. Brother of the Hawk

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I'm officially INACTIVE....Cheers!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

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well i'm sorry i've been absent, it's been a rough few weeks and still having to work....i ended up having a nice happy surprise by having the day off, so i'm finally going to get caught up on things.. .

april 1st was my 6 months of not reporting service time and i am officially inactive now.

i think my hubby and i are going to celebrate!

Brother of the Hawk

I can.

We've always been bothered by the fact, "How can this be God's organization with all of this crap going on?" [Elders lying, injustices, persecuting the victims instead of the guilty, general abuse of the flock, some things said from the platform that weren't right etc] So we had all of the puzzle pieces and I don't think we were truly 'under' the mind control that most JW's are, but we just didn't have the final piece and didn't realize that it wasn't just imperfect men but it was the entire organization that was flawed!

But we have a dear friend that we have known for decades. His entire family are about as JW you can get and some day when we can reveal everything, we will all write an article for JWStruggle. But he's one of the most intelligent men we know and we kind of lost touch for a number of years after we moved out of state, but then moved back.

But we got back in touch a few years ago and he came over to visit for a weekend last year [we still live in different states but alot closer] but we were talking and he made the statement that he believed Jesus died on a cross. That was shocking for us and thankfully we know this man well enough to hear him out and NOT just throw him out of our house for being an 'apostate'. So he showed us how in the reasoning book pg 89 how the WTBT$ has a quote from the Imperial Bible Dictionary [Link below] then has [....] in a couple of places. Then when you go to the actual book and read the quote the IBD is actually pro-cross and the WTBT$ left out some important info regarding the cross!!!! Cherry-picking at their finest!

Imperial Bible Dictionary pg 376 http://archive.org/stream/theimperialbible01unknuoft#page/376/mode/1up

Affectionately Brother of the Hawk

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Differences Between JWs in the US and Europe

by BU2B in

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there are many cultural differences between the general population of the us and europe, what about jws?

i have heard about such things as beards being allowed, movies that a jw cant watch in the us or would be frowned upon watching being ok, same with tv shows, and even the way they dress in public.

seems more laid back over there if this is true.. any truth to this?

Brother of the Hawk

Have to use my hubby's post, but heck, I remember a Circuit overseer saying from the platform at an assembly that no JW should go see the Star Wars movies because they were so bloody & violent and it was rated PG!

Even long side burns was a no-no and hubby couldn't be used.

NE